Northeast Ohio Republicans and Democrats don't agree on much, but they do have similar reactions to the recently concluded Republican and Democratic national conventions.
Bill Clinton's speech: Good.
Clint Eastwood and the chair: Bad.
GOP and Democratic insiders surveyed by Patch had generally favorable things to say about their candidates and the success of their own conventions. Patch received survey answers from 24 Democrats and 29 Republicans.
A majority of Republicans surveyed became more confident of Republican Nominee Mitt Romney's chances of winning Ohio in November and believed he made a strong case of becoming president at the GOP convention in Tampa.
"The story of the candidate and his family's personal background was effective," said Dale Petty, a Republican from Cuyahoga Falls. "I thought the conclusion of the acceptance speech was powerful - 'I want to help your family'."
Democrats were equally enthused after the Democrats convened in Charlotte. Those surveyed believed the party did a good job of giving President Barack Obama momentum to excite the base -- even if he was overshadowed by former President Bill Clinton.
"The speech by Bill Clinton really ignited the base and even got the Republicans to wish for the 'good ole days' of the Clinton Administration," said Democrat David Licate of Stow. He added later: "Mr. Clinton effectively framed the case for President Obama's re-election and skillfully attacked the Republican candidates."
Democrats and Republicans even found some positive words to say about each other's big shows.
Some Democrats thought that Ann Romney's speech was a positive message that did a solid job of humanizing the Republican nominee. Meanwhile, Republicans thought Clinton gave a good speech.
Of course, they found plenty to criticize about the other party's conventions too. Republicans criticized the Democratic blunder to leave God out of the party platform. Democrats slammed the GOP for Clint Eastwood's speech.
Overall, members of both parties felt that their conventions as a whole were successful. But Republicans believed that the convention would not have much effect on the outcome of the election. Democrats were more enthusiastic that their convention would help the president's election chances.
EDITOR'S NOTE: Patch will be conducting Red Northeast Ohio and Blue Northeast Ohio surveys throughout the election eason in hopes of determining the true sentiment of Republicans and Democrats on the ground in Ohio.
Our surveys are not a scientific random sample of any larger population but rather an effort to listen to a swath of influential local Republicans and Democrats. All of these individuals have agreed to participate in the surveys, although not all responded to this week's questions.
If you are an activist, party leader or elected official and would like to take part in a weekly surveys that lasts just a few minutes, please email Senior Regional Editor Jean Dubail at jean.dubail@patch.com
So I suppose you are going to give equal condemnation to Obama's $1M donor, Bill Maher, right? http://communities.washingtontimes.com/neighborhood/peoples-communities-cube/2012/sep/16/bigoted-anti-islam-filmmakers-name-revealed-bill-m/
Clinton's "finger" pointing is a "risque" gesture. And will be forgotten about after the election. He actually represented why Obama has failed. Saying no President could have us out of this mess was , of course an admission that Obama lied about reducing our debt in half and lied about keeping unemployment under 7% and lied about closing "Gitmo" and lied about GM Living, as it now struggles with just under 20% left of it's $50Bil and lied about Solar success (Why no mention of Solyndra Solar Co bankruptcy) ALL Failures of Obama. Now we have The whole mideast under fire and USA Ambassador Dead. Everything Obama has done has failed. Except one THING--The Military HE INHERITED Got OsamaBLaden. Yep it Took Clinton 1 hour to razzle dazzle HIDE real Failure. It was a speech of Failure--That is Failure to mention all the promises Obama "Failed" to achieve. When all speeches start with "I WILL DO_GIVE" You lose a little more freedom. It Took Eastwood 20 minutes to Verbally undress this President. This president makes a speech living in "mocking" his own people & country. It was fitting to see him being "mocked" by a True American Hero actor. Eastwood represented , why Obama should be Fired. nothing less. Absent from Duty, it depicted. The empty chair parody will be mentioned at every Future convention. It was a classic. For those of you who never heard of "vaudeville", That was it.
This for sure will be the nail in Romney's campaign coffin. He's already had a terrible week, and this just piles it on. I actually almost feel a little sorry for our Republican friends on the Patch today....
Democrats will lament having to actually defend their base that is in the 47% who do not pay 1 cent of their "FAIR SHARE" in taxes. Game on ! If Romney actually points out the Truth in what he says, many of those 47% will be revealed. 1)People who "fake" disabilities. 2)People who work on the side, while depleting our unemployment funds. 3)Young woman having children, hiding the real fathers, in order to live better than Working Mothers. The list is BIG! I am glad that the Truth about 47% comes out. 47% is bigger than 1%. Let's get back to fixing America. Our embassies are burning. Egyptian Flags have replaced our American Flag. (Did your local TV show that to you?) I have a message for All Democratic voters---You are Sickening in how you would watch our USA go up in smoke , just to Win an election. Diversion of this President's foreign policy is a "sin". Of course, many of you do not practice what you demand of others. It's a game of "gotcha". A Game where America loses either way. All of you in that 47% number know who you are. You will be the 1st to suffer , if a real exodus starts happening. What should be left, is the 47% of you who can "sponge" off yourselves. You will never understand that Mr Obama can support you only by "stealing" He steals by making loans he can't pay back. He steals by circumventing Bankruptcy laws to give GM billions of taxpayer money.
Are you disputing that 47% don't pay any Federal Income taxes? Sales tax and gas tax are a choice. Those that own property pay property taxes, those that rent do not (although I am sure it can be argued that the tax is included in the rent, unless they are on section 8). Do you pay SS tax is you are not making income? Murphy, I am fairly certain that Mitt wasn't referring to your nephew. Weren't there millions of liberals protesting the Vietnam war, dodging the draft, burning draft cards and the American flag, throwing medals away. I thought liberals hated the Vietnam war and spit on our soldiers.
Mitt Romney, Class Warrior - The New York Times http://www.nytimes.com/2012/09/19/opinion/mitt-romney-class-warrior.html?hp
I do agree that Mitt was likely throwing out some Red Meat. In a futile attempt to explain it away, I would suggest that he was trying to draw a distinction between those that work and pay taxes and those that abuse the system. The ones abusing the system would have no reason to vote for Mitt or care at all about the tax rates. I think it is hard to argue that the takers are firmly in the Obama camp. I would also suggest that he probably didn't intend to include either seniors or military in his comments but he said what he said. I agree entirely with his point.
Your last post is exactly what I have been saying. Even if MZ and others loved what Romney said during the fundraiser, where will it get them in the election? If I was a Republican, I would be trying to figure out how we can expand the party, not shrink it even further. Oops, what am I saying? Let them keep doing what they've been doing!
Romney never called anyone a deadbeat. He just said 47% of the people do not pay income taxes. "That those people probably are Obama supporters". Listen to his tape. Now murphy, you call him a loser and coward , not for his country. Let me ask you, Did you see the 2001 Olympics here in the USA ? Did you see the whole Republican Natl Convention stage be filled with All the greatest Olympians of all time. Mike Erizioni (Hockey). Well , if you did not see that , YOU and YOUR NEPHEW Should. Summary: Our Olympics was in a shambles back then, Bankrupted with corruption. It was cancelled , and the whole USA was about to be the SHAME to the world. Do your know who the olympic committe called to SAVE THE GAMES. MITT ROMNEY. He saved the whole face of America then. He is as much a hero to this country as anyone who served. Certainly does not earn the trash talk of being called a coward. See the movie we all saw that night. The movie that Regular TV suppressed, because it displayed the Real Romney. See how he was praised by True American Heros from all walks of life. He saved the Atheletes lives and Families who busted their rears for 4 years preparation. Romney saved humiliation to ALL AMERICANS. NOW THAT IS A PRESIDENT YOU and every one of the readers here should want.
We even had a high 80% tax rates back in 1980. Pre-Reagan. Tax laws back then allowed hundreds of deductions like all kinds of Interest on charge accounts and all sales taxes paid, any cattle feed costs paid up util Dec31st of each year. NO ONE PAID THE 80% rate. I know. But, only 20% of Americans did not pay any taxes for the reasons you list. Today , No taxes are due because of the many Tax credits given that never existed back when. We did not have anything like College credits. Child care credits, !st time homebuyer credits ($8,000 checks), Credits of $800 for anyone who just had a W-2, Hope andlearning credits for students, Earned income credits for single with children,Credits for IRA contributions. Today's credits are ALL CONSIDERED WELFARE PAYMENT STYLED. That is why America now has 47% of This country NOT PAYING THEIR FAIR SHARE. Our Tax system has been used to Hide the billions of Welfare payments that by-pass congress. Obama has been doing this big-time right before your eyes. He has been Paying people off the Tax roles by all his hidden cost to society. That sir, is the Truth. Buy yourself a JK LASSER tax guide and look up CREDITS on income taxes. There you will see the greatest creation of welfare payments costing all of the 53% who do not get these credtis because their income exceeds $100,000. So don't try to spin a correct statement.
I have been told numerous times that I should not be able to speak about abortions since I am not a woman and therefore can't have any opinion on women’s rights. Is it a fair analogy to extend that to paying federal income taxes? I am sure I will be vilified for this comment but, if you don't pay federal income taxes should you be allowed to have an opinion on how they are spent? If that is not the case, what prevents people from voting in those who will spend more on entitlements? At what point does the system break? I will agree, as I stated earlier, that Romney was throwing red meat and could have chosen his wording better. You would have to acknowledge that Obama has had many similar problems with word choices.
America can be great again, not with low expectations, not with more “services”, but with the high expectations that Americans are expected to stand on their own, to work hard, to struggle, and to persevere.
http://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2012/09/where-are-the-47-of-americans-who-pay-no-income-taxes/262499/
The fact is everyone has said something that they regret, something that didn't come out quite the way it was intended to. I will judge both Romney and Obama as I judge all politicians on their respective ideas, history, and records. Those who get too wrapped up in sound bites can fall for a great speaker with little to no depth, no ideas of their own, and can be swayed by words and not merit or accomplishments. These are difficult times in which we live. There are millions who through no fault of their own need assistance to make ends meet. I have no issue with them. I do take issue with the delivery methods of this assistance, with those that game the system, with the entitlement mentality that I see on display. I have no tolerance for those lining up for “Obama money”, for politicians promising pie in the sky visions of a benevolent government, or of additional government programs, especially federal programs. I give more in time and money than most to those less fortunate who are willing to work to make things better. I refuse to help those who won't help themselves.
Great link. Thanks for pointing it out!
A Real American you are. Eastwood should ask the "empty chair" "Should people who do not pay any INCOME TAX, have the voting power to deplete the savings of those who earn more money? Should they have a Vote? Should American's earn the right to a vote? We all pay Soc security,medicare,sales taxes,, BUT we all do not Pay INCOME TAXES. (The Income taxes "ORIGINALLY" used only for Building, roads, bridges and a constitutionally mandated DEFENSE) So why are those 47% not even contributing to the bare needs of this country? Hey! Mr Revere, better watch your somewhat imputed "Dictator" comments. Where is the Individual rights in "ALL" American citizens? Must we analyze each and every individual case in America , in order to agree on the definition of fairness. I have reached the point of telling every one of those 47%--"Frankly, my friends, it's time to now get the rest of the 53% to a Zero Income tax. Now, that would be a Great America-- A Totally Free Country. Keep what you make and contribute as much you can to Yourself. Now, would we all like to vote on a ZERO Income tax rate for all Americans earning under $50,000 and a 20% rate for ALL other Americans. Pure Simple No exceptions, No sad stories. If you earn it---Support your America. Then , let's see how many Freebies and "Mr candy-man" Presidents we would support. The empty chair even votes on this one.
Still want to ban free speech?
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