Deer Culling Is Done: 300 Deer Killed In Solon
Dave Hromco, appointed by the mayor to oversee the deer culling program, said they are now evaluating how things went.
Deer culling is complete in Solon, and 300 deer have been killed in the last two months in an effort to reduce the population and prevent deer-caused car crashes.
Dave Hromco, who is managing the program for the city, said that sharpshooting wrapped up last week and that they reached the goal of culling 300 deer from the herd. He said they are now evaluating how the program went for future years.
Hromco said there the program worked well and there were no issues at any of the shooting sites. The carcasses from the deer were processed and the meat was donated to local hunger shelters.
"We would like to thank the people of Solon who cooperated with the safety forces and the U.S. Department of Agriculture to help make this a successful program," he said.
The sharpshooting operations were conducted by the U.S. Department of Agriculture's Divison of Wildlife. Shooters worked from stationary locations on a couple of dozen of sites around the city, mostly private property by some city-owned parcels as well.
Amy Von Cinchenwagar
8:24 am on Wednesday, March 28, 2012
Barbaric and unnecessary. This sort of 'strategy' is a testament to the short-sighted mentality that got us into this situation: killing all of the deer's natural predators. Instead of letting nature take its course, we pay to kill the predators, then we pay to kill the deer. The money spent on this misguided initiative could have paid for remedial driver education for many solon residents or it could have gone straight to the food banks. What a waste.
Doc Wheeler
12:51 pm on Wednesday, March 28, 2012
I don't live in Solon, but I will NEVER spend a dime in a dump that kills helpless animals. I don't know how these creeps can live with themselves. These are GODS creatures. NOT THEIRS. There is a special place in Hell for those who take joy in killing.
How IMMORAL and What a WASTE of taxpayer money .
Rich
8:50 am on Wednesday, March 28, 2012
Gee, maybe Hromco could be Solon's "Greatest Person". It takes a lot of talent to oversee official Federal cretins killing domesticated deer. From what I've heard they had a heck of a time finding 300 so they borrowed some from surrounding areas. And to finish the job they shipped off the lead poisoned meat to the hungry. Nice job boys !
Tricia Glynn
8:52 am on Wednesday, March 28, 2012
What a crime against nature and her inhabitants. The human species won't rest until we have destroyed all other living beings and the planet we live on. Deer naturally manage their herds when not encroached upon by assassins. A waste of lives and a waste of millions of dollars to murder innocent animals living as God intended them to live.
Josh Low
10:50 am on Thursday, March 29, 2012
Deer, in fact, do not manage their herds on their own. The reason for the culling was because Solon's residents moved in and for some reason they don't enjoy having coyotes running around. The reason the deer population got out of hand was because we eliminated their natural predators. If you really cared about deer you would realize that the problem envolves the entire ecosystem.
Wildlife Lover
9:06 am on Wednesday, March 28, 2012
It is with great regret that I must inform all Solon business owners my husband & I will be boycotting your establishments. Although we were very pleased with the $750 purchase we made at a Solon store recommended to us last year (after your City Council decided against renewing your deer shooting contract) we cannot, in good faith, subsidize the tax coffers of any city with leaders who choose lethal, over nonlethal methods of wildlife control
Josh Low
11:12 am on Thursday, March 29, 2012
I am not sure you understand the entire problem. Solon has effected the entire ecosystem. The problem is not just the deer alone. However, it is not right to punish business owners for something that is out of their control. If you are truly a "wildlife lover" you would be asking, "Where are the deer's natural predators?" and "Why are we not doing anything to naturally restore our ecosystem?"
Vibhu Krishna
9:27 am on Wednesday, March 28, 2012
As a Solon resident, this is one of the saddest and most disappointing stories I have read. First we have bowhunting on the table (why this cruel and barbaric 'issue' was even considered is still puzzling to me) and now we resort to sharpshooting 300 innocent creatures. So we went from painful, inhumane forms of hunting, to recreational hunting and finally flagrant mass-murder. I wonder if the umpteen nonlethal methods--which, I might add, are sustainable in the long-run--(covering saplings in mesh, using eco-friendly spray on foliage, fencing forest areas and trails) were even considered, and if so, why they weren't implemented for "evaluation." Just a guess: Solon took the easy way out. Congrats on a newly bloodied municipality, the No. 3 'Best Place to Live' only for one inhabiting species, and a township 300 deer less because of provincial outlooks and hesitancy to consider the alternatives. But hey, it's better than bow hunting, right?
Lori E. Switaj
10:00 am on Wednesday, March 28, 2012
Discussions are underway right now in Avon Lake about bow hunting to reduce the herd. A "save the deer" group just formed. http://patch.com/A-rXrC
Christian Raymond
8:38 pm on Wednesday, March 28, 2012
Good for you, I will be joining!!
firelight
10:14 am on Wednesday, March 28, 2012
How could anyone want to live in a place that allows neighborhoods to be shot up --- at the tune of a million dollars to boot!
Keith
12:05 pm on Wednesday, March 28, 2012
I am a hunter and I find this disturbing and unnecessary to do! Killing 300 deer by baiting them and shooting them with high powered rifles is just gross! You must respect the game that you are chasing and you must make it fair chase! It sounds like the drivers in solon need to stop playing on their phones while they drive before you go and kill a whole heard of deer!!
Elliot Ness
5:01 pm on Wednesday, March 28, 2012
Its a minefield of deer after dark. They jump from the cover in front of your car. Other then hitting another driver head on or smashing into a tree there is no time to react. Don't blame the drivers! As if they have a choice.
Keith
12:12 pm on Wednesday, March 28, 2012
Hey about we shoot all of the people who drive and text causing car accidents too?? Hey we are just trying to stop the car accidents.... right?
pradtf
12:35 pm on Wednesday, March 28, 2012
So long Solon! What a place of barbarity.
Myrrh
1:13 pm on Wednesday, March 28, 2012
Non-lethal alternatives that could have been utilized are: Animal Detection Systems (various types) and Green Bridges. Other parts of the U.S. and the world utilize these very effective, permanent solutions to living in harmony with nature. Killing deer is only a temporary "solution," and will not deter motorists from hitting them. So the killing will go on and on, costing more money year after year. This also reveals the mindset of the community of solon: a lack of compassion and intellect. Alternatives to killing were ignored and not researched. I hope in the future, Solon decides to do its research and infuse compassion with decision making, choosing to instead live in harmony with nature rather than destroy it.
Lucy McKernan
1:24 pm on Wednesday, March 28, 2012
http://ohioanimalrights.wordpress.com/
Lucy McKernan
1:28 pm on Wednesday, March 28, 2012
By definition, culling can't be "done" because by definition, killing deer equals compenstatory rebound effect; what will Solon do next time, hire Gladiators to do it?
Judith C Brock
2:21 pm on Wednesday, March 28, 2012
Sure glad we do NOT live in barbaric Solon....what a tragedy, what a waste of wildlife, what a waste of tax dollars! You sure are getting BAD press even outside of OH!! I am certainly sharing this barbaric story with my family and friends to be sure that you continue to get the bad press you deserve. Wildlife is a gift from GOD and it is sad that people like you think you can CONTROL it with killing.....300 deer.....YIKES! SAD!
Jay
2:55 pm on Wednesday, March 28, 2012
I'm sure the mighty hunter, Dale Hromco & his disgusting merry sharpshooters, are having a grand time toasting each other over their many barbaric kills.
Human animals hired to kill defenceless animals. Nice way to put yourself on the map, Solon.
Josh Low
11:15 am on Thursday, March 29, 2012
First of all, you should learn how to spell "defenseless" and second, based on the education level of your writing, I'm not sure you have fully educated yourself on the issue at hand.
Amy Von Cinchenwagar
12:30 pm on Thursday, March 29, 2012
Josh, you incorrectly said "effected" instead of "affected" in a previous comment. Does that mean your opinions are invalid?
Elliot Ness
4:47 pm on Wednesday, March 28, 2012
I have hit 2 deer in the last 12 years. One on 422 at 60 mph totalled my car and sent me in the hospital. The other on solon rd jumped right in my path at, both incidents at night. I took a picture last week at the north end of liberty of 11 deer, together, many where yearlings. I am a compationate person and love animals. I donate to Rescue Village. We can't give Solon back to the deer. We have houses here. They have no natural predators and nature makes sure the population grows every year. This mild winter left them with plenty to eat. Unless you are going to give up your home and car NOT culling deer is impractical. Its not the deers fault but its a reality of life. Hit one with your car and see how you feel about it from your hospital bed. Or maybe we could import wolves. Then people would be complaining about their missing pets.
Josh Low
11:23 am on Thursday, March 29, 2012
Before everyone moved to Solon, it was not uncommon to see a coyote. You make a good point. I learned a lot in my AP Environmental Science class and you seem to be right on target with your comment. Thank you for being another intelligent person supporting the deer culling.
Jean Coleman
6:40 pm on Wednesday, March 28, 2012
Thanks Dave for culling the deer. When they lay on you deck, look in you doors and dine behind Mcdonalds it needs to be done.
Lisa Fields
8:41 pm on Wednesday, March 28, 2012
And the deer are also selling drugs at the middle school. I heard a couple of Bucks held up Burger King last week. My cousin said her next door neighbor had a bunch of young does break into their house a few months ago and steal their jewelry. Right on Jean, things are out of control. And hey, what about those pesky squirrels. I think we need to cull them too. And after that what about ugly, stupid people.
Lisa Fields
8:36 pm on Wednesday, March 28, 2012
Solon defines success as a high body count. How disgusting. Solon has wasted one million dollars plus on a failed scheme. How disgusting. Solon administration have taken our fine reputation and destroyed it making us a laughing stock and looked upon as a bunch of redneck morons by people all across the country thanks to social media. Solon needs some real leaders who put their residents best interest before their own political agenda. And by the way if the deer are starving to death and diseased per Mr. Russo, why are we donating the dead deer to poor people? Oh yeah, because it makes them look like humanitarians (ha) and who cares about poor people. And what about Solon's animal warden doing the deer population count and inflating the numbers. Next year we'll have arrows and bullets flying through our neighborhoods. We need to kick these power hungry, irresponsible, kill-crazy clowncil and mayor out and elect some real leaders to restore some civility so we won't have to be embarrassed to admit we live in a war zone where discharging lethal weapons in our neighborhoods and slaughtering our wildlife ad infintum and wasting our taxes is something that's supposed to be good. I wonder how this will effect the housing market. Who would want to move here.
Christian Raymond
8:51 pm on Wednesday, March 28, 2012
300?? THIS IS AN OUTRAGE!!!! knowing today we have many non-lethal options from IC deer birth control to Streiter-lite which both for a FACT has been known to work yet still the killing. It's heartbreaking to see such beautiful majestic deer who only wanted to live and did not come here by chance but buy the hunting industry such as the DNR which is just a hunting club with a fancy name and euphemistic pictures that continued to propagate deer numbers to satisfy the "sportsman". DNR (Division of Natural Resource) have their own "science" and "biologist" and uses lies to deceive the public that killing is "needed". They "cull" 300 deer to pave way for future "Sport" hunting which will be with the use of bowhunters the most disgusting of them all. Humans with absolutely no soul, no remorse, no guilt as the animals die a horrible suffering death many left wounded and crippled. Playlist of Bowhunters part 2
http://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PL97E386163D293856 . The hunting agencies knows it, but use that same repetitious line of "the animals are ethically harvested" yes indeed, they love their euphemism and whitewash. I have viewed thousands of videos in the past 5 years on bowhunting and the only thing that comes to mind is serial killers and psychopath, even the devils at work !!! This "culling" is to pave way for "sport" hunting mainly bowhunting! Why with all the killing year after year the numbers continue to grow and DVA also rises?
Christian Raymond
9:04 pm on Wednesday, March 28, 2012
Compensatory Rebound Effect (CRE) is why killing does not work .
http://mathew5-7.blogspot.com/2010/10/compensatory-rebound-effect-cre-is-not.html
The hunting agencies knows this that is why they massacre so many deer so to be sure there will be more fawn birth. The "QDM" (Quality Deer Management) that many hunters and hunting Agencies uses even speak of how killing does and Compensatory Rebound Effect can actually create more male fawn births which is of course what the "sportsman" demands and how the State Wildlife Agencies make their revenues.
"With high-quality habitat and increased nutrition, the percentage ofdoe fawns that breed their first fall increases (sometimes up to 25 percent). Also, a higher percentage of yearling does produce two fawns instead of one. Because fawns are born at approximately a 1:1 sex ratio, more bucks may be born each year. Therefore, in some areas, you actually can increase the number of bucks born by shooting more does.”“Quality Deer Management: Guidelines for Implementation,”
Read my link for the rest of the information. With Compensatory Rebound Effect (CRE) , the food plots which American wildlife killers love, supplement feeding etc of course the deer numbers will rebound right back to high numbers. Sometimes it will over compensate and most wants the bucks which means they will do the "earn a buck" or hire killing companies like the "White Buffalo" with your tax dollars.
Christian Raymond
9:16 pm on Wednesday, March 28, 2012
We will be sure to let the Solon public know what is going on and the TRUTH behind all this bloodshed, the disgusting people (Sport hunters) that runs the DNR and the type of humans that will be lurking in their parks and forest. We know about CRE and you know it too, we know about food plots, supplement feeding and how whitetails are the most demanded large "game" animals by bunch of losers to kill. We know Deer Vehicle Accident are caused by the hunters, we know there are many non-lethal options but DNR and hunters don't want to use them and instead try to mislead the public on how "they don't work". They want to see mangled cars, they want to put fear into the public, one day I believe in every heavily hunted state from Ohio, PA, NY, Michigan etc should get together and file a class action lawsuit against the DNR for the injuries and death to their loved ones. Or funeral expenses, loss of job, crippled for life and so on.
Why why why is we have a compassionate way to reduce deer number in long term and the fact that "IT WORKS AND WORKS WELL" as Jay Kirkpatrick a Wildlife Contraception expert has said and he also mentions "60% deer herd reduction" all from data and numbers, FACTS http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6cBxVySosLk&feature=player_embedded but the DNR refuse. Fears it like the plague. As the owner of the White Buffalo killing company owner has quoted "killing deer is like mowing a lawn, it has to be done year after year".
CMS
12:30 pm on Thursday, March 29, 2012
IC's work in that if it is used on a single deer, that deer will most likely be contracepted for the near future (there are some "nonresponders"). It also works in closed areas where immigration is not a factor. Case in point are the two examples Dr. Kirkpatrick has given: NIST, a fenced in facility, and Fire Island, an island. Deer cannot come into either of these treatment areas. If Solon were to fence their entire community, IC would likely work. However, Dr. Kirkpatrick HIMSELF has said that IC are not meant to be used on free ranging animals. Does it work and work well--depends on your definition of "work".
Christian Raymond
9:24 am on Wednesday, April 4, 2012
This is NOT for "free ranging deer" that the hunting industry has created to begin with to satisfy the killers (sport hunters) . IC is for small Urban and Suburban deer "problem" as I said again that hunting industry has created this mess. These are the areas where eventually they bring in the John Wayne Gayce's of Ohio
to kill with barbaric weapons such as bows and arrow or cross bows. Imagine the danger this will be? Year after year it's going to have to be done now that deer numbers will rebound and sometimes will over compensate for the loss.
CMS
10:02 am on Wednesday, April 4, 2012
So urban and suburban deer are not free ranging? Are some not going in and out of these towns? Sure, some are resident animals and do not leave city limits, but to argue that suburban deer are not free ranging is laughable. Do deer populations outside of suburban areas experience the artificially high numbers as they do within these communities? No. The reason is that hunting controls the population from growing too high. Do you think IC would not have to be done year after year if that was chosen as a management solution? You really need to research this topic instead of writing based on pure emotion.
Christian Raymond
9:30 pm on Wednesday, March 28, 2012
How safe will you feel? Soon like they did in NJ they will lower the buffer zone and being that bowhunting is so quiet, they can be right near your back yard where kids, pets even you are out. What if? http://mathew5-7.blogspot.com/2012/03/lucky-child-did-not-open-door.html
I am no Peta and I do not belong to any organization. I have done years of reading and watching, going to hunters website to learn the corruption of the hunting industry and the monsters that gets joy out of killing. These bowhunters will even kill your pets if they feel they are a nuisance, or if they do not like you watch out. Like what happened to this women http://mathew5-7.blogspot.com/2012/03/dog-shot-with-arrow-is-extreme-cruelty.html. I don't live in Solon but I be sure to let the public know, maybe a video will be in order. In the long run Karma will get all of you for Jesus too believed in Karma
.....Know ye not, those who live by the sword are the ones who die by the same death
As ye do in this life to your fellow creatures, so shall it be done to you in the life to come "
Jesus, The Gospel of the Holy Twelve,
Lection 24, Verses 1-5
Josh Low
11:07 am on Thursday, March 29, 2012
Just to inform you, the deer were not shot with bows and were not shot by any random hunters. Skilled sharpshooters had to meet many requirements and did not see this as a "sport" but rather their job.
Christian Raymond
9:32 am on Wednesday, April 4, 2012
Oh sure Josh, we "believe" what these hunting people say. If the killing is so "benign" then let those who want to video tape the killing do so? Why not? The reason is because it is horrific, the cries of the injured animals, the thrashing of the deer in front of their yearling as they run off looking at their mother with such sadness. I have lived amongst deer for 7 years and they have personality and bonding, enjoy life and fear death yet some of you heartless humans "approve" of this. Who would ever believe what hunting agencies says, they are one of the biggest liars when it comes to keeping their "sports" of killing or any lethal killing going because they are barbaric and hateful to animals and even animals lovers. I had my share of dealing with Game Wardens and the NY State DEP. All gung ho to killing because these places are run by hunters and in actuality are nothing more then a hunting club with loads of euphemism, whitewash and lies. They got enough money to have their own pro-kill "biologist". Yes just like psychopath they are great liars, deceivers and put on a facade of "charm" when inside these humans there is nothing but pure evil. It's sad how the public are blinded by your lies;.
Christian Raymond
9:43 pm on Wednesday, March 28, 2012
You all DISGUST ME and sports hunters in reality are bunch of psychopaths but they love to use their euphemistic words such as "sportsman" , "outdoorsman", even "hunter" is not what they are , they are all just blood thirsty soulless KILLERS of the innocent. Causing the kind of pain and suffering they themselves would never want to endure. Who had family members or even yourself been into an accident with a deer? I would gather every people in Ohio who have had DVA and file a class action lawsuit. We need to bring down these places for sport hunting must end. Their killing is NOT about "food", it's for pleasure. In this day and age we do not need to kill any living being for "food" and learning that we can live a longer and healthier lives on a plant based diet is all the more reason though we know they kill just for the enjoyment of it and eating part of the flesh is no excuse. You know your fridge is filled with market food as well. Bowhunting is an expensive "sport" so don't give up your crocodile tears of "oh the economy" blahblahblah,. I live in a mid to almost low income, gee I don't feel any need to kill, my belly is full and I am healthy.
I understand survival hunting and sustenance, but recreational hunting is NOT about that and only small numbers of humans in America kill solely for food.
I be sure NEVER to set foot in Solon or even Ohio and will be telling others. 300 sentient beings MASSACRED!! A DISGRACE!
CMS
4:00 pm on Thursday, March 29, 2012
I'm pretty sure most states, if not all of them, have a wanton waste law that prohibits the killing of deer without making a reasonable attempt to consume them. Do you really think that most of the deer that are legally hunted in the United States are not consumed?
Lisa Fields
6:08 am on Thursday, March 29, 2012
It is also interesting to know that the fetuses and heads are turned into perfume and cosmetics. Eau de Fetus, the perfume of Solon. Lovely. The skins are purchased as well. Who profits from this?
Christian Raymond
12:53 pm on Saturday, March 31, 2012
I believe all those who were in favor of the senseless massacre of the deer should take the bodies home, shove it in the freezer and eat them. I am sure it will be filled with pesticides and who knows, other wildlife diseases. Mmmm, "yum". This is all the work of the hunting agencies whose manipulation of wildlife went out of hands and more proof that deer birth control and other non-lethal means is the only solution.
Josh Low
11:01 am on Thursday, March 29, 2012
I am proud to say that I am from Solon. I am very glad that we have skilled marksmen come and help save lives of those innocent people driving on the roads in an area where deer are overpopulated. I think it is unfortunate that it became such a problem like this, but those of us who reside in Solon are the cause. We have increased the amount of food for deer while eradicating all of their natural predators. We wonder why they have become so populous and now try to voice our opinions about animal cruelty. Honestly if I were a deer I would rather be shot by an expert marksman rather than be hit by a car and suffer.
Lisa Fields
12:38 pm on Thursday, March 29, 2012
Josh, Alas, I'm afraid you have bought the story, hook, line and sinker. Since you seem to hold education in high esteem, as everyone should, please take the time to further your education on this matter. You don't seem as if you're closed-minded. Keep in mind also that our environment has changed. We need to keep in step with our changing environment when it comes to finding solutions. Solutions that fit now, not from years past that simply make no sense in this century. One more thing Josh.....you are being conned. The word "sharpshooter" is simply a euphamism used so that people won't feel bad about gunning down hundreds upon hundreds of deer. In actuality, there is no sharpshooting, just shooting deer standing over bait. Please investigate these so-called "sharpshooters." USDA Wildlife Services is the wildlife exterminating branch of USDA who does nothing but slaughter by the thousands our wildlife in the most brutal of ways. They have a horrific reputation and our tax dollars subsize them in the millions each year. If they are not killing animals they are not being paid. Please do not be naive. Follow the money and you'll find your answer to almost everything.
CMS
3:56 pm on Thursday, March 29, 2012
Lisa
You are correct in that USDA does a lot of wildlife removal, or as you put it, extermination. However, this removal is necessary. They are active in removing and excluding birds from airports, which can obviously be a human health concern (Remember the flight that landed into the Hudson? Birds and airplanes do not mix well). They are also extremely active in disease surveillance, and finding methods to prevent and remove diseased animals so the disease does not persist and expand on the landscape. Regardless of your feelings, be careful not to paint them with broad brush strokes, as they are a necessary component of our government.
Sharpshooting is an adaptive management technique that has evolved in the presence of densely populated communities. Hunting, the traditional technique to manage wildlife populations, is extremely difficult to implement for a variety of reasons. This "changing environment" has led to this solution. Short of excluding the animals from an area (also extremely expensive), there is no real, rational solution to overabundant deer populations.
Christian Raymond
1:07 pm on Saturday, March 31, 2012
Ohio is big with hunting and the deer numbers are propagated by the hunting industry to satisfy the killers then with all the food plots and supplement feeding that hunters uses is it any wonder why in many heavily hunted state deer numbers seems to grow and Deer Vehicle Accident rises.. The deer are trying to seek refuge so they come to area where they felt safe sadly they were not. I have seen how these animals die from bait and shoot and it's not a "fast death" and all that "expert marksman" are just a coverup. They could care less if the mother deer is thrashing in agony from a bad shot as the babies run and watches from afar. Then their turn comes . Josh you want to lowers deer population then have them implement IC deer birth control. Personally Solon has become the city of BLOODSHED AND DEATH and as I said before a place I will never visit and have been telling so many others about what kind of heartless people runs the city. People like Josh has as much blood on their hands and no difference then those who did the killing. No compassion or mercy.
I'd say the deer rather have IC implemented in them rather then being shot. No matter the deer numbers will rebound right back because you do know about CRE
http://mathew5-7.blogspot.com/2010/10/compensatory-rebound-effect-cre-is-not.html
Compensatory Rebound Effect (CRE) is why killing does not work .
Christian Raymond
1:08 pm on Saturday, March 31, 2012
And you are "proud" that your city is now a city of bloodshed to the innocent and that your tax dollars was wasted.
CMS
12:14 pm on Thursday, March 29, 2012
Congratulations to the decision makers of Solon to listening to common sense and having the intestinal fortitude to implement a safe deer management plan. Though hunting is always the preferred method to manage a deer herd, in highly parcelized neighborhoods in suburban communities, this is typically not applicable. Continued management will keep the deer herd in check and more easily managed in future years.
Christian Raymond
1:16 pm on Saturday, March 31, 2012
As the deer numbers rebounds back from Compensatory Rebound Effect and your tax dollars wasted there will be dangerous "solution" year after year. Here are some example of how bullets can become lethal to the innocent public. http://www.cayugadeer.org/safe.htm
"The Cover of Darkness
If a program is approved for government-sponsored killing of deer in our community, the killing will most likely be carried out by armed, out-of-town contractors, under the cover of darkness, the sound of gunshots muffled by silencers, the bodies of the dead animals carted away by municipal workers before sunrise.
Were such acts to be carried out in the light of day and memorialized in the media, most of us would be appalled by what was revealed. We certainly would not want our children to watch how unsuspecting human-habituated animals were lured with bait, and then methodically slaughtered. Most of us would be tempted to avert our eyes from the abruptness of the bullets' impact, the blood and gore, the agonizing struggle of the maimed and dying, the orphaned young, the killing of pregnant females and their unborn offspring, and yes, the life draining out of their eyes. ""
http://www.cayugadeer.org/ethical.htm
CMS
3:40 pm on Monday, April 2, 2012
Christian-you are arguing with emotion rather than facts. Many of the does in Solon are already reproducing 2-3 fawns/year, which is a maximum for white-tailed deer. Do you think they will go into "hyper-reproductive mode" and the remaining does will now reproduce 5-6 fawns/year?
The CRE comes into play when deer are saturated at their populations levels with respect to habitat. When their numbers drop (through hunting or other lethal removal), habitat improves, and their reproductive rates can increase. In Solon's case, they have not saturated their habitat, so they are still reproducing at maximum capacity. In this case, fewer deer means fewer fawns--no CRE.
Joise
2:07 pm on Thursday, March 29, 2012
Solon is off my list of places I intend to visit. Solon's vicious response to perceived wildlife issues has totally disenchanted me. This city's attitude of "if I don't like it I'll kill it" has left a very significant impact.
Dominique Osh
4:35 pm on Friday, March 30, 2012
Sick, Sick Community that is so brutal and apathetic to what they are actually doing to these deer. Your lying to the public and yourselves that this will be a solution to deer populations, it will now create a rebound effect and you know it! Next year you will have even more deer to fill your blood-lust.
Lisa Fields
6:16 am on Monday, April 2, 2012
CMS, you must work for the ODNR or possibly the USDA Wildlife Services. What's your opinion of shooting wolves and coyotes from airplanes? Or setting the pups dens on fire while the pups are in there. Or spreading cyanide and Round up all over, or setting body-crushing traps that compainion animals are caught in? All good? Don't bother answering. Clearly you are a supporter of death and destruction.
CMS
3:29 pm on Monday, April 2, 2012
Lisa-I can assure you I do not work for ODNR or USDA. I am a wildlife biologist by trade though, and I do consider myself an animal welfarist. Setting pup dens on fire--I don't know if this is really happening anywhere, but if it were, I would be absolutely against it. However, if an animal can be taken out of an area where it is deemed to be a nuisance, and done so in a safe manner that does not promote suffering, then I would be in favor of that method.
The problem is this topic is filled with emotion. It is not incorrect to feel this emotion, obviously, but everyone needs to step back and become educated on the results. Some people are perfectly willing to live with an overabundant deer population, and that is absolutely fine. However, others have different values, and look more toward a balanced ecosystem. This is fine as well. In a democratic society, one choice wins and one loses. In Solon's case, it appears that the decision that favored most was to reduce the deer herd. Now, people must understand which options are logical in a suburban setting. I personally feel that they made a wise decision once they decided to remove the deer to use sharpshooters. It is safe, effective, and the animals are instantly euthanized. Their demise under any other circumstances (including natural) would be far more gruesome.
Jay
5:11 pm on Monday, April 2, 2012
To Josh low.
"Defenceless"
▶adjective
without defence or protection; totally vulnerable.
The word is involves. It is not "envolves".
The word is affected. It is not "effected".
The only education level that is lacking here, is your own.
Christian Raymond
9:55 am on Wednesday, April 4, 2012
hahhaaaaaaaaaaaaaa I knew that "I am a wildlife biologist" lie would come in sooner or later. Even the slob booze guzzling hunters are "wildlife biologist" . Give me a break with this broken record. Where CMS are these "overabundance of deer" coming from? Let's see, Oh that's right the hunting industry. Without hunters, then implementing IC deer birth control, use of Streiter lite and educating how to keep deer away from their yard is the key. Not killing then with compensatory Rebound the number shoots right back up and great for those who profits from the pain and suffering of these gentle creatures from psychopaths "sportsman". With many lands being taken and used as a killing field, psychopaths asking land owners to use their land to put down food plot to kill, wildlife "sanctuary" used as a killing field it's everywhere and food plots are so popular with every sports wildlife serial killers https://www.google.com/search?q=food+plot+deer&oe=utf-8&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&client=firefox-a&um=1&ie=UTF-8&hl=en&tbm=isch&source=og&sa=N&tab=wi&ei=xlB8T9T4G-ih2QX54PDTDA&biw=1240&bih=598&sei=ylB8T8bWLceW2gWz05jzDA and then they say "we have too many deer".
CMS
10:10 am on Wednesday, April 4, 2012
Christian-how many "food plots" are inside Solon city limits that are contributing to to this overabundant deer populations? Before sharpshooting was initiated several years ago, how did the deer population get so high within the city limits? Shouldn't it have leveled off somehow? There was no hunting prior to that within the city, so it could not be from this CRE that you are talking about? I do agree that a multi-pronged approach is necessary. Exclusion from yards and possibly roads should be evaluated. If your argument revolves around a CRE, then I suggest you research a little bit more of how it works before you hang your hat on it.
Oh, and by the way, my claim of being a wildlife biologist is not just self annointed. I am looking at a piece of paper right now from The Wildlife Society that tells me I have those qualifications.
Christian Raymond
10:06 am on Wednesday, April 4, 2012
Oh and don't forget they do kill deer's natural predators which is also another factor in over abundance of deer which the DNR is happy about but of course they want more Buck then does and knows killing with food plot, supplement feeding does give more birth and chances of a male fawn. http://mathew5-7.blogspot.com/2009/08/this-is-why-we-have-too-many-deer.html. People in Solon who let this go on has just as much blood in their hands, instead of worrying about your lilac bushes or lyme disease which is another of the hunting industry's myth. As I said I lived with abundance of deer and have been up close to many but I just had a complete physical and even did a lyme disease which I did not request part I suppose it's part of the complete physical and I still do not have any. Deer is not the cause of lyme disease, it's the white footed mouse and if you rid of all the deer you think you are safe. I heard higher chances of lyme disease when there is NO deer in ones yard. They will hop onto your little fido, birds, mouse, and many other species of wildlife. They blame the deer because one can see the tick on their head but ever watch deer groom each other. Here is a video of mine.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SmOODJypImM&list=UUAEcS5rsCxvUxBIsAYv08NQ&index=37&feature=plcp
The 45 acres next to our home is a killing field but still I see deer after deer. Deer DO NOT cause lyme disease (read to the right) http://www.nocull.org/
Christian Raymond
10:16 am on Wednesday, April 4, 2012
The hunting agencies love mangled cars, they love to put fear of lyme disease or how if they don't kill deer it will "spread diseases". Yet I read hunting worsens wildlife disease epidemic http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2006/07/060714174141.htm. Hunting is a business and the whitetails brings in 70% of the bloody income so they will come up with all sorts of lies and they have the back up of some powerful people like the NRA and pro-kill Government so it's quiet easy to lie to the public. It doesn't take science to realize why deer numbers are growing, DVA is growing too yet the hunting industry refuses IC deer birth control, streiter-lite , fences etc. No matter what you will always have deer and we all have to learn to co exist with them in a compassionate , non lethal, non dangerous solution. In this day and age KILLING is not necessary anymore. Would you like to be killed because some species with much higher intelligence then Earthlings decides there are "too many of us" so they will shoot us down. Would you like that for all those pro- deer killers or would you like them to choose compassion? Answer anyone??
Lisa Fields
6:22 pm on Wednesday, April 4, 2012
CMS- aha, so that explains your suport of death and destruction. You are a biostitute.
The Wildlife Society?? Really, give me a break. They are nothing more than a merry band of blood-lusting, death deviants.. Anthony Denicola, Solon's previous exterminator, is a member of the Wildlife Society who slaughter in unfathomable numbers all in the name of wildlife mgmt.
Nothing more need be said.
Heinz Knall
7:19 pm on Wednesday, April 4, 2012
How about we all decide to adhere to forum rules and use our full AND REAL names! I don't see any point in debating with ghosts, or initials purported to belong to subject matter experts whose credentials can't be verified. How about we debate the facts and stop the name calling. It really doesn't help your credibility.